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cs_37


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I honestly cannot understand how so many people are acting so irrationaly about this. We live in the real world, not a science fiction novel! The government has no intentions of taking away our liberties; and even if they wanted to, there's very little they could do with the information. Someone would know more about us just by looking at our face.

As for the information being lost: trust me, information like that on you is stored in many, many places already. And they're a lot less secure than police databases. Yes, the government is sometimes unreliable with data, but then so is everyone! Sometimes stuff gets lost - but so far very little damage have been caused. I don't think there's anything to worry about, it's just the media trying to make us scared.

There is really nothing to be scared of. It won't cause incorrect convictions - detectives aren't stupid, they know that somone's DNA at a crime scene just means there we there. Yeah, criminals will think of ways to beat it, but they already have ways to beat the systems we already have - which is why we need this! If we don't keep progressing, how can we ever expect to stay on top of crime?

 
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rutc_s24


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cs_46 wrote:
richmond just got rinsed!!!!

Ooh, controversial!

 
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rutc_s9


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The major problem with the DNA database is the simple way that DNA can easily be transfered from person to person and arrive at a crimescene without any connection the actual crime. then the over reaction of the police to arrest the person because their DNA appeared at a crimescene. This is the reason that people are so anti-DNA database, the "misuse" of the database.
 
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rutc_s24


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:16 am
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DNA fingerprinting is named after it's name sake. this is also the same debate held on the introduction of fingerprinting evidence. The same points voiced for a national database then are being voiced here. but fingerprints did not solve all crime or act as a deterrent as was promised. why should DNA do any better... anybody needing to be identified after death have other means such as dental records or fingerprinting. DNA national databse is uneccessary, unwieldy, expensive and will solve to few problems to justify it's promulagtion.

 
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rutc_s25


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I agree with cs_37 that everyone is acting irrationally. I think that people are veering away from the main points of this National Database, in terms of insurance and all that jazz. First of all, we are talking about DNA profiling not gene testing, the kind of information of whether an individual is predisposed to a particular disease would not be available on this database! Surely, a more important issue is that someone could get hold of DNA and use it in order to incriminate that individual for a crime they committed.
 
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rutc_s18


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Guys have considered that this is an issue within the family. What if a person was adopted and wanted to find their real parents this would make it a lot easier...
But this again is controversial as it avoids giving the family the choice of when to reveal that the child is indeed adopted

You guys seem to have your blinkers on .... the \dna database would have much more of an effect than just on crimial activity....
what about it being able to help identify bodies etc?

Bit more wide thinking aye guys?#

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rutc_s16


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I dont think that even if a person did get hold of a person DNA profile, there is very little anyone could actually acomplish.
its not like they had our addresses, phone numbers etc when they could do almost anything, but i see the point of having a person most intimate details on a GOVERNMENT computer with their current record of handling the publics data.
however, other uses of the technology far outweigh the risks of your 'junk' DNA being lost, parts of your DNA which don't code for anything anyway.
So quit your whining chump!

 
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rutc_s2


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It is a very debatable subject, i personally think that we shouldn't have a national database because can we really trust our governemnet to keep the DNA of 62 million persons? They have been known to loose many important documents such as tax returns, passports etc. I can see the possible benefits of using this national database in uses such as crime scenes etc but i do believe its an invasion of our privacy.
 
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cs_37


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Post subject: Re: fingerprinting
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:46 pm
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rutc_s24 wrote:
DNA fingerprinting is named after it's name sake. this is also the same debate held on the introduction of fingerprinting evidence. The same points voiced for a national database then are being voiced here. but fingerprints did not solve all crime or act as a deterrent as was promised. why should DNA do any better...


I'm no forensic scientist, but as far as I'm aware, fingerprinting is used to slove crimes every day.

Of course DNA fingerpriting won't solve all crime - but no one is promising it will. But you can't deny it will help. And even if it is expensive, surely any advantage we can get over the new breed of criminals that are appearing everywhere these days is worth the cost?

 
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cs_45


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:38 pm
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I agree with cs_37 myself. This fabled 'misuse' of a genetic fingerprint is all a bit unrealistic. Anyone idiotic enough to attempt to try and use DNA to frame another person will not succeed. DNA profiling on a national database will merely serve as a catalyst to the already implemented policing methods used in this country.

Furthermore, we are not talking about DNA sequencing here. Nothing more than confirmation of who you are can be determined from this proposal. That's the way genetic fingerprinting works. It's not like the government could use your DNA to find out your favourite flavour of ice cream or something absurd like that. So to all of those who belief that our government will misuse and abuse our trust, that simply won't happen.

So there.


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cs_46


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How many people believe that DNA Fingerprinting will benifit our society in this day and age?
Shocked

 
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cs_32


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rutc_s18 wrote:
You guys seem to have your blinkers on .... the \dna database would have much more of an effect than just on crimial activity....
what about it being able to help identify bodies etc?


It is automatically assumed that it will help identify bodies as thats basically the main purpose of it. I think everyone is going a bit further than that and discussing what the disadvantages are and whether this will outweigh the benefits.

 
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cs_38


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Realistically, the benefits will outweigh the disadvantages. The people who believe that the government are going to misuse the DNA database are a little bit paranoid. It is quite unlikely that somebody will steal your DNA and actually be able to use it against you without being found out. And the benefits are obvious... Mr. Green
 
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cs_43


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if were saying that this DNA fingerprinting can be used to find a persons ''real'' parents, then how easily available is this information going to be accessed?

And again. reciently the government have managed to loose another set of confidential information. So if they can manage to loose this, what if that was all our DNA, imagine what someone could do with ure DNA.

 
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cs_40


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rutc_s18 wrote:
Guys have considered that this is an issue within the family. What if a person was adopted and wanted to find their real parents this would make it a lot easier...
But this again is controversial as it avoids giving the family the choice of when to reveal that the child is indeed adopted



I think this point's very interesting. It seems pretty inevitable that unauthohrised people will gain access to the database but I was struggling to find something realistic that could be done with this information. You would be able to find the parents of adopted or even abandoned children which would be unfair if they have chosen anonymity.
And witness protection might be pretty messed up.
Initially I couldn't see any problem with someone having my DNA fingerprint, but now I'm not so sure.

 
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